our system which is this peculiar mix of public and privaost sometimes i feel like we get the worst of both worlds. what about the goal to move it from sick care to well care, do you think that will rain in the cost? >> i think preventative care is a good thing. but the reality is that most healthcare comes from the small number of very sick people, and we will have very sick people and the success of keeping people alive is

expensive. >> james, we were out she says i ruptured my achilles tendon, the surgery went great and i am recovering now. what is the quality of care here compared to other developed nations. >> the quality of care in the united states is about comparable to the other industrializations such as canada, or the european nations or all stray yeah. so we spend more, but we don't get more, we just have this unbelievely convoluted system, and we need to make it more similar, we need to have the consumer more engaged and understanding about what it costs and then we need the healthcare system, the hospitals the doctors the pharmaceutical companies to respond to a consumer

interested and informed consumer by making the prices more understandable, and frankly, to compete on the basis of price which will drive prices down. >> james robinson, really appreciate you joining us, thank you. >> consider this will be right back.

. >> sadness turned to celebration in south africa in a multiracial outpouring of love, for nelson mandela. >> hi passed on peacefully. >> near midnight in johannesburg, the president announced the death of the man often described as the father of his nation. world leaders joined in a chorus of praise. >> he was not just a here row of our time, but a hero of all time. >> in america, our first black president emotionally spoke of his hero, the first black president of south africa. >> he no longer belongs to us.

he belongs to the ages. >> to the world, and more important to his once bitterly divided country, mandela represented forgiveness and reconciliation. >> you have a limited time to stay on earth. you must fly and use the experience for transforming your country, into what you desire it to be. a democratic, nonracial, nonsexist country. once said courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it, it was a triumph he per upon sized. born to a royal trail troublemaker mandela lived up to his name, after studying law he dedicated himself to the nonviolent struggle against apartheid, the system of racial

segregation imposed by south african on the majority blacks, indiaians and other people of color. but a massacre led him and his party to abandon civil disobedience and take armed. he spent almost 28 years behind bars. mandela's at times brutal imprisonment led to tuberculosis and damaged eyesight. the world clammored for the release of the man that became the symbol of civil rights movement. finally, he walked out of prison, to thunderous applause. four years later he was elected south africa's first black president. let's exam the man behind that status. our first guest had a

strong personal connection to nelson mandela. he taught him and his grandmother visited the south african leadner prison. he joins us from massachusets, really a pleasure to be with you. thank you for joining us, i know you are the headmaster of the great tan school, and really very glad that you took time on what must be a hard day for you, given how many family connections you have and the fact you knew him yourself. >> thank you for having me, and i thank god for letting me live to come here. so i think the man himself would love -- ould have loved for me to be here. >> now, tell me about your family and the connections? >> mandela was a man of humility, so it is hard to talk about my family. my grandfather taught nelson mandela in college. they belonged to the same organization the a.n.c.

my grandfather was also a political leader within the anc. my grandmother -- yes, go ahead. >> your grandmother also then was close to him, and visited him in prison, and he wrote her? >> mandela wrote her several times and my grandmother would write back, she told me she wrote so many letters that some of which never reached him. but a few of the letters made it all the way, and she put them into a book. and after giving them to the archives. having visited him where he summerly suffered, he had tuberculosis and problems with his eyesight. she must have seen that suffering, and what did she say or what do you think about how he then incredible grace and dignity to even invite his jailers to his

inauguration? well, at this point, i have to admit that when she came back, i thought she was going to come back with a message of fighting let's continue the fight, she said, you would be surprised my grandson, nelson mandela is going to tell all of us, reconcile, shake hands with our former enemies. so she came back the man had not changed. he was for the policies which the anc buzz founded. test monday tutu said that it changed h imfrom an aggressive young militant, isn't it ironic that that terrible imprisonment may have forged him as the great leader he then became?

>> i think most people forget that he was a great leader before he went into prison. i have been watching the reports on him, and they seem to forget the contributions he made all the things that he did before he went into jail. so he was a leader long before he went into prison. perhaps prison made him mellow a bit. until he saw that people needed to be defended. >> i would not -- i am sorry, he was really not violent, it was defense. he was never really violent. but he had preached nonviolence very very strongly, and it got to the point after a massacre and all sorts of things, defense, they felt they needed to take up arms in order to struggle against the white government that was still oppressing so many people, i didn't mean nit

a pray othertive way, i understand what you are saying. but i guess my point about prison, and you saying that it mellowed him out, you were talking about reconciliation, do you think that the mandela that went into prison, would have been able to have the grace that he had after prison and when he was able to reconcile with the people who had imprisoned him for so long. >> i think so. i'm not one of those that believed that prison was necessary, it was totally unnecessary. i would say a little story about how my grandmother actually this is in his book himself.

>> of all the heroic acts of leading to the capture of osama bin laden one stands out between the u.s. and supposed ally

pakistan. to show where he was hiding.

>> trumped up charges against a tribal court system where the regular rules of evidence and trial by jury don't apply. and sos actually what you've seen again with with these new murder charges. >> they've been able to hide them because of these kinds of charges and these murder charge he's been hit with is for a surgery that he performed eight years ago. >> yes, that's right. the doctor was definitely involved with some shady affairs. and he never had the proper licenses as a surgery. as he detailed in my own investigation. the fact of the mart i matter is they're bringing this in now. >> in your article you say that pakistani officials had no problems telling new private that he was arrested because he held the c.i.a. that there is no question that that's why they put him in

prison. >> well, yeah, definitely he was helping a foreign intelligence agency assassinate someone on pakistani soil. so he's basically guilty of treason. the situation is not one that people can always be frank about this. >> there ithis. >> al fridi is in prison. some are say cut aid to pakistani. >> shame on us when we allow him waste away in a dungeon. >> we're not ignoring al fridi at all. it's just not as simple as holding everything accountable to one thing where they assert that there were certain laws

that were broken, and you know, you know the arguments. now that complicates it. >> secretary of state matthew was unequivocal about now cutting aid, but what kind of message does it accepted to potential recruits when the u.s. has someone like this who helped them get bin-laden of all team in prison because the pakistanis don't like the fact that he helped the united states? >> yes, well that's exactly it. he is an asset. so you want to send a message to other potential assets that u.s. will support you if you get arrested for helping us. but the fact the matter they're not looking tat very sentimentally. she was primarily motivated by money. these things can take time. you need the issue to go down. you think about the spice who go down during at cold war. often it took years if not long for have prisoner exchanges oh

or to get someone released. they are biding their time and maybe they don't want him that badly. they got raymond davis out pretty quickly. >> the cold war is different. there was a war, as cold as it might have been. but this is a supposed ally, we're giving billions of dollars to, and they're still not helping. as you investigated the case you found that almost everyone connected to al fridi had been questioned. some arrested, and his lawyer told you that al fridi is just a pawn in this battle between the c.i.a. and the pakistani intelligence agency. >> you have to look at it from pakistan's perspective. here you have a foreign intelligence agency who is paying off people on your own soil, who has different interests from your own, doesn't trust you and they want to root

at this unilateral operation as the c.i.a. calls it. it's a matter of different perspectives and i don't think its helpful to look at in two merelyistic terms. >> we have have a question. >> matthew how are pakistanis and pakistan reacting to the charge? is the doctor really considered a traitor there? >> yeah, i think that a minority of pakistanis support what did he. most pack stay anies were not in support ofbin-ladebin laden. there is not a lot of sympathy for al fridi at moment. >> agouta look at pakistan's secretdossier and said that c.i.a. operatives used aid

agencies to used organizations like "save the children" to help them and they dismissed that charge in an interview. let's listen to al jazeera. >> what happened when dr. afridi i would reject the idea that other international assistance programs had anything to do with intelligence operations. that's simply false. >> what did your investigation find? >> well, "save the children" deny any role. it may be possible that they were used unwittingly or it could be a completely false charge. but the factor of the matter is that the c.i.a. did set up a fake vaccination program in order to collect some of bin laden's dna. that has done huge damage to

organizations. there is polio, and now understandably the humanitarian organization was in outrage. >> matthew, i hope you keep us posted of everything that you might learn. thank you for joining us. thank you for your time. "consider this" will be right back.

>> is it possible to survive on bit coin, the unpredictable volatile currency that only exists digitally. only a handful of businesses in the world accept it as payment and most people have not heard of it. but that did not stop our next

guest of i am barking on a worldwide trip putting our currency to the test. >> i'm austin craig. >> and i'm becky. >> we're going live the first honeymoon life on bit coin. we'll use bit coin to barter our way across the ocean, to show what works, how it works, what didn't work and why. >> we're joined by austin craig. what inspired you to do this? >> i've been interested in bit coin for a couple of years. but i'm not a technician. my background is in video marketing and production. i wanted to get involved some way and i wanted to learn more about it. this was the best way to learn about it and maybe contribute education to this burgeoning field of obscure difficult to understand area. >> let's try to understand. you get back from your honeymo

honeymoon. you marry becky, and you get back and you try to pay for everything with bit coin. first how do you get food. how do you get gas. >> our first task was how to get home from the airport. we had to rely on educating people, persuading people to accept bit coin. when we started there was only one establishment in the entire state of utah where h we live tt used bit coin. we had to approach merchant, have you heard of bit coin. can we pay you with this digital currency. >> you managed to get some groceries. a gas station that was an hour away to get gas which somewhat defeats the purpose. but you managed to get those essentials. but now you decided you're going to have this three-month trip around the world. you're going to start from prove

alprovoall the way to new york. how did you do that. >> we had to rely on the bit community. gas stations are owned by big oil companies. they're not interested in a new way of paying. >> what did it mean to get the community behind you. >> we had to meet up be bit coiners who would buy gas and we would buy it from them. we had to persuade people between provo and new york city, it was challenging. >> say you do get a business that agrees. do you show up and do a transfer electronically from your comr. you send a code to their computer and you figure out what the cost is based on the currency value of bit coin on any given day? >> the transaction itself was not that complicated. the difficulting was persuading people to give it a

try. if you have a tablet or smart phone or computer i could set it up for them in just a few minutes. but the hard part was getting them to understand it and have confidence in the system that seems very strange. >> that's fine. i understand that in the united states. now you're getting on the airplane to berlin, stockholm and singapore. how did you manage to get the airline tickets and hotel, was that done through a travel agency? >> for the airlines we did rely on a travel agency. there was an agent in germany that we got our flight and hotel stays. >> what about transportation. >> we were on foot a lot. >> we would meet up at the train station and sometimes we would go to the train stranger and say, have you heard of bite coin, we want to pay you with

this would you buy a ticket. the first three people we approached they said we'll give it a shot. >> do you have to transfer money into their account. >> they do have to have a bit coin wallet just like you have an e-mail address for your emails. you have to have a bit coin. it's simple to set up. >> we have a social media question for you. let's go to hermela. >> austin, if the bit coin is worth $1,000, how do you buy a cup of coffee. >> bit coin can be subdivided out to the eighth dismal point. you can pay .0002 bit coin. we don't have a vocabulary for that. in the u.s. dollar we have dimes, nickels and quarters. we don't have a vocabulary for that yet but i'm sure as it gets used. >> to eat at restaurant, to survive as you did abroads for

three months you must have had to spend a lot of time and energy to get this done. >> becky thankfully has a full-time job and she was at her job every day. i was frequently out trying to persuade local merchants to accept bit coin. it took a couple of weeks to find a grocer who would sell us groceries. >> did you ever go without eating? >> we did a couple of times. that was when we were mostly travel to go new areas where we were not able to contact merchants. one night in stockholm we were hungry, but then we found a restaurant who served excellent swedish food. and then we found a hotel that we upgraded to. >> did you cheat? >> i was amazed that people thought we would have to pull out the credit card and use it. >> it was announced that that ae company will accept bit coin as payment because it makes more

sense. it's a space company, and modern technology but it begs the question will we see bit coin as a frequently accepted mode of payment in the future? >> i think we could. when you have the sale signal and it's faster and more security than a credit card payment but it's a matter of having those things in place and having people understand how it all works. >> do you think it will be technology that you can make this transfer very quickly and a simple thing to do? >> oh, yes. it's that way right now but the matter is how universal it is. how often have people heard of it, accept it and willing to take it to their business. right now that's the limiting factor. >> with when bit coin or when you started your travels bit coin was worth $100. right now it's inflated. there is a big bubble or it may not be a bubble but it's over $1,000. do you ever think, hum, maybe i should have saved that bit coin? >> i don't because really i went in this wanting to learn more

about about it and the rise in valley just begs the question is this viable as a currency? if it's so volatile and rising in value can you use it as a currency. >> we look forward to your documendocumentary. thank you for being here tonight. >> absolutely. >> we'll be back on consider this.

>> is the baseball hall of fame for sale? the sports website dead spin announced it bought a vote for this year's hall of fame ballot. does this cast a shadow on the hall of fame or is it highlighting an already flawed system? are you safe at professional sporting events. should you think twice about taking your family to the game next weekend? let's bring in dave ziris. dave, always good to see you. >> great to be here. >> so how did they manage to do

this, bribe somebody, give money? >> we don't know what they spent. for all we know was that they spent $1. and this is a dissident voter. this is the baseball hall of fame. the all-time hits leader pete rose is not in it. the all time hitter barry bonds-- >> but neither behaved very well. >> that's the point and the difference between the baseball hall of fame and football hall of fame. the football hall of fame said we don't care what you did off the field. we're about judging the best players on the field. it's very clear. the baseball hall of fame, the people acted like they're the arrest barbitors of integrity iy that is very obnoxious. we saw this last year when there

were 15 people who were on the hall of fame, they didn't vote for any of them. they didn't vote for craig biggio. >> it could vote in marvin miller. instead, who do they have in the hall of fame? the commissioner who marvin miller cleaned his clock every time they were at the negotiating table. >> let's talk about dead spin.

they call hall of fame voters. this is a quote from what they wrote. they said, it's an electric dominated by neo-puritan and straight out dimwits. they pretty much called the hall of fame voting process a farce and what was meant to honor great ball players is insulting them and inserting the power of the baseball writer. it seems that you might have written that. >> yes, i did not, but i would have included the word hypocrisy. because what they're acting on now is anyone in the locker room with performance-enhancing drugs should be barred. these were the same writers in the 1990's who wrote these chaotic things about mark mcgwire and sammy sosa. wasn't until someone who treated them like toadstools, barry

bonds, that something must be going on here. that's like saying, i'm shocks there is gambling going on here. here are your winnings. >> i asked our viewers this question on twitter. is it okay that dead spin bought a vote for the hall of fame. 99% of responders said yes. one percent said no. the results may be skewed but even still do you think baseball fans really care that dead spin can vote or is it mostly sports writers who have a problem with it. >> without question, it's sport writers. most fans don't understand why the decisions get made, why they get made and why only with this hall of fame do they act like they're the arbitors of some greater morality. >> let's switch gears. let's talk about violence at sporting events.

just this past weekend an nfl fan was killed in the parking lot of a kansas city chiefs game. and last year a man was beaten into a coma, and that fan has not regained consciousness. just two years ago. is it a growing problem? >> we don't have statistics that show that it might be necessarily better or worse than it was 10, 20, 30 years ago. but there are things we know. tailgating culture at professional games has made it's way up from the land of college to the pros. that means people are arriving at the stadium five or six years hours and getting liquored up. there are a tailgaters who don't even have tickets to the game. they bring a radio with batteries in it and they watch the game outside of the stadium. that's one of the things alcohol

is an mid ga mitigating factor. but another part is the owners themselves. they spend so much money on security when you're going in the stadium. they check your bags, no outside beverages, all that have stuff. and yet once you're out in the parking lot there is nothing. there's nobody. all that aggression. all that alcohol, which if you look the wrong way in the stands will get you kicked out, that projects itself in the parking lot where there is unforgiving concrete if you fall down. >> most of them were serious incidents that happened outside of the stadium where there is much less security. is the big problem alcohol? a lot of other countries have limitations on alcohol here you can keep pulling the alcohol down the gulleet and it's a big profit. >> yes, beer barons were the first owners of the sports teams

so those roots run incredibly deep. owners are so hung up on concessions, and concessions are one of the key profit margins as anyone who has bought a $9 beer at a stadium can tell you. >> but on the other hand is it really that big of a problem. you look at the numbers and the number of supporting events thag events are out there, millions of people are out there. >> yes, that's correct. but there are things they can do. basic security and decent lighting. the horrific thing that happened in dodger stadium. they didn't even have the lights on after a night game because the team was trying to save money because the owner was going through a rough divorce, so they had to bring in the lapd for future games to take over security. we don't want to turn our games into occupied territory. owners need to pony up for decent security guards and

lights. >> it seems like its happening more at baseball games and football games. is it mostly because of tailgating? rather than basketball and hockey. >> yes, absolutely. it's just not the same tailgating culture in basketball and hockey. it's the stadiums, it's access to tailgating and access to parking. >> you can find us on twitter at aj consider this. next week now that recreation at marijuana is legal, how has day-to-day life changed. and a year after the tragic event of new town, connecticut, we'll look back at the families of victims. we'll see you next time.